Weekly Meetings In Cardiff

Hi L,

One day I might come along. Pity it's not in Swansea at least half the time.

cheers,

Bob
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Actually, Bob, you have a good point. Guys I'm just throwing another's idea at you, would you be willing to hold half the meetings in swansea? Or at least one of the meetings a month so that people can keep in the know and also get to know one another

Or we could sometimes meet on the weekend either in Swansea or Cardiff. I could make myself available, so it's up to you guys!

I've had some confirmations for today's meeting so hopefully someone will finally turn up!!!

Will see all you enlightened people this evening :thumbup:

How'd the meeting go? Did the number you expect turn up? More importantly, what went on?

Hi all,

the meeting was a great success, far exceeding any expectations I've had. There was about eleven people attending, all of them amazing individuals with a lot to say and share. Most of them are willing to actively contribute and hopefully we will now cooperate on trying to achieve our first goals. It had been identified that one of the first steps to be taken should be a public screening of Addendum, hopefully at local independent cinema called "The Chapter. It is now a question of who will actually go there and try to set it up. I am unfortunately limited only to evenings and weekends which might not be a best time to approach the right people. Couple of guys at the meeting agreed on going there but it wasn't confirmed when. So please anyone of you out there in Cardiff area could you please contact me to further discuss our next move on that.

For next week I will try to bring enough leaflets and possibly some stickers for people to grab and pass on. I'll save the Addendum DVD's I made for the "Chapter" event if it is going to happen.

Last thing I wanted to point out is that I have seen a lot of potential in people who have been there tonight and I feel that things will now go very fast because we have a lot of different talents there and with them cooperating we can and will achieve great things!

I have to work on Wednesday afternoon, so I miss meeting this time.
Be productive and have a good discussion.
STAY Positive:)

Will post details of the meeting on here for you Dom, So that you can still help out if we decide on taking any actions, which hopefully we will this week, right people ? :thumbup:

gravedigger and I have worked up a bit of strategy for this week's meeting so hopefully we'll have it a bit more organized. I can't wait!!!

Hi,

Im back today hen is the meeting..?

Today (Wednesday) 8pm sharp at "Shot in the dark" I think I'll be there a bit earlier though...

Hey guys and gals,

I would like to summarize a couple of points and impressions from yesterday's Cardiff meeting:

1) There wasn't as many of us there as last week but 5 is still a sort of OK number to actually discuss something. Unfortunately due to this limited number was all the agenda preparation we've done almost useless. This is probably only going to work if there's more of us present, because in such small group it is pretty hard to act official. It was also very obvious that because everyone has different ways of expression, the meeting without structure cannot work either. So for the future events with variable number af attendees we have to have different strategies ready to avoid distruptions. Conflicts of extroverted personalities quitely witnessed by introvert types who might have something to say but aren't getting an opportunity to do so is not leading us anywhere. So let's try to make it less emotional and more official.

2) As much as there is a lot of motivation I think there also is a lot of misinformation and misinterpretension of what TZM and TVP is really about. It is great to have personal opinion on things but as a group we should really unify with the main doctrine of our movement. What's happeing now is that members tend to mend and bend TZM's and TVP's ideology using their own subjective approach. It is very much needed to stay well informed in order to be able to actually support the movement. Otherwise these tendencies might cause the right opposite. Using arguments based on subjective feelings and lack of information rather than using official movement sources might be very dangerous. People might get a wrong impresion about us on issues such as religion, politics, possible ways of transition into RBE and other. So to avoid all that I recommend everyone to get the latest info on movement from Peter Joseph's radio blogs (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/peter-joseph), reading Jaque Fresco's book "The best the money can't buy" (can be supplied on demand) and watching lecture videos on the main page. Our power is knowledge and we should not forget about it!!!

3) Sorry that previous two points sound a bit heavy. It was a good meeting and we've managed to get some really positive things in motion. We have further discussed the screenings and other means of spreading the information. Hopefully we'll get production of quality flyers running. For that I would like to create a separate thread where we'll post our ideas on what could be used to get most attention. If we have some really good ones we could even share them in the toolkit with other chapters!

4) Our quest for screening of Addendum at "Chapter" cinema has taken its firts step. We've exchanged a couple of emails with cinema management and they asked for a copy of DVD which is good!

So, let's keep up a good work and see you next time!

Best regards.

Martin

P.S. PLEASE use Teamspeak for attending online meetings! It is a great opportunity to stay in touch with what's going on in the movement. Welsh chapter meetings are on every Thursday 8pm! If you need any help with setting up Teamspeak please do not hesitate to contact me!

Hi guys, my name is Zack and I am interested in joining your movement. All I can offer at the moment is time as i have just finished university (sortof). I am sick and tired of the blatant corruption both in commerce and goverment (one and the same) as I'm sure the rest of you are and just want to work towards a better future for our childrens children. As the Hawaiians say "if you do anything, do it for the next seven generations".

Cheers

Hey Zack, it's great to hear that you are interested in joining us to help make this a better world. I agree with your comments - it is good to find others who are awake to the real problems of this world, I myself have two children and I am doing my very best to make this world a better place for generations to come in every part of the world. The movement is only a couple of years old and is growing at such a rate and with such good ideas that we really can help to make a positive difference.
The team in Cardiff is still small in numbers when you compare to other areas around the world and in the U.K, so it is great to hear from you. The team usually gets together on Wednesday evenings at " a Shot in the dark" on City Rd, at around 8ish (we will be seated upstairs in the cafe, right at the back on the left hand side). I will put some flyers or something in the middle of the table so you can easily recognise us.
Alternatively We have members in Swansea and Bristol with their own places to meet, it is a good time to join as Mr Fresco will be giving a lecture in Bristol next month (I can arrange transport to this if you would like to attend). We also have online meetings a couple of times a week, this is a great chance to speak to other members from the U.K and the rest of the world.
You are most welcome to join us for talks on Wednesday evening, if this however is not a good time I could meet up with you for a chat any time if there are any questions you would like to ask. Feel free to contact me if I can help at all ([email protected]).
Craig - Morphius.

Hey man, how are the meetings going?
Great to see some progress at a local level...

I'll very probably be at the next meeting, I really fancy having a chat about this kinda stuff.

Peace
Adam

Hi Adam,
Although its early days the Cardiff group are investigating the possibility of getting A4 posters and A5 leaflets printed. Daniel offered to rejig a leaflet from London and will be showing his efforts at the next meeting. We have made contact with the Chapter Arts Centre with a view of featuring a ZM film, and Daniel will be following that up.

Craig will be getting in touch with the Students Union at UWIST to explore the possibility of booking a room for a film show and finding out when they will be holding their Society Day. In this respect we are desperately in need of student willing to set up a ZM Society on campus. So if you're aware of anyone whose willing to fill the role let us know. Craig and myself will be attending the ZM World Tour in Bristol on the 21st of August and will pick up anyone interested living in the Cardiff area.

It was agreed by the last meeting that each meeting elect a chair from those attending, which means any one can be the chair and there is no danger of an hierarchy becoming established. It was also agreed that the first item on the agenda of all meetings be activity. Items for discussion - and their priority - are decided by those attending the meeting.

So all told we are trying to make things happen by getting organised and established. Hope to see you and others at the next meeting.

Brian

Hey guys,

could you please share some info about yesterday's meeting at "Shot..."?

Cheers,

Martin

could you please share some info about yesterday's meeting at "Shot..."?

Cheers,

Martin

Hi Martin,
Besides Craig and myself 2 newcomers turned up Peter and Puala who've been supporting ZM for the last 2 years. We updated them on our plans and preparation for activity and Peter confirmed he would be attending on a weekly basis. Peter will be starting at Cardiff University, and Puala at UWIC in September. And they both agreed to give it a go at setting up a students society at their respective institutions.

Unfortunately, Daniel never attended so we have no idea how he's making out with the leaflet and establishing contact with Chapter Arts Centre. If he don't turn up at the next meeting I shall email him to see if there are any problems. Small attendance but we've still made progress.

Hi there,
This is Paola and I was at the meet last night with Peter, it was nice to meet you guys last night. It was a shame no one else turned up hopefully we will get more soon. I have a few idea's that I hope to speak about tonight in the chat. What time is that going to happen?
Thanks guys

The Teamspeak meeting is from 8 to 9 pm. Details below.

TeamSpeak details:
Download link: http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=downloads
Address: teamspeak.zeitgeist-movement.com
Port: 9987
Password: tzm
Introduction Video: http://vimeo.com/9718101

Something has come up and Peter and I will not be able to listen in on tonight's meeting which is a shame, we leave for Spain next week
so we will have to start afresh when we get back which is on the 25th. So the next meeting we will be able to get to will be on the 1st of September.
Now I was thinking of creating a Facebook page as I believe that would be a good idea (I can get on that tomorrow if agreed). As a Cardiff Zeitgeist movement group should be on Facebook. Bristol seem to have one and I'm sure a few other places will too.
I can link the Video's and post the meeting place and general info, it was the first place I looked when trying to find this group!

We should have more ways to make finding us easier. What do you think?. It would be a good idea to have an internet group to aim at students and good practice for starting the groups at the University. Plus it's a free way to get the word out, the internet is the way. Also I can target like minded people in our area it will take some work to get the word out but it could be worth it.
Peter and I have been following the zeitgeist movement for the past two years and have watched the films we also know how this works, what I mean to say is we are not clueless in the understanding of the movement.
I really look forward to getting started and hope to meet more like minded peeps in the future

Hey guys, I'm sorry I wasn't there last night. The meeting was made for the 12th as they are bi-weekly. If you prefer I could change it to weekly. If anyone else has any input for the meetings I'd love to hear from you. My e-mail is [email protected] and my skype is ieuan.john1 for anyone who wants to contact me.

Liberty, I think a Cardiff facebook page is a great idea, if you could also create a page for Wales and invite me to both I would be greatful. My facebook page is http://www.facebook.com/profile.php#!/profile.php?id=1022262013&v=info but I only go on it if someone has messaged or added me. Thank you for the great idea

Ieuan

I just found out there was a Zeitgeist Cardiff and about the meetings in Shot, I'll come down Wednesday.

Great looking forward to meeting you. We'll be upstairs.

YFPSA
Brian

Hay Ieuan, nice to meet you
I was of the understanding the meetings where every week we didn't realise that one was made for the 12th. This is actually the date we leave for Spain for the two weeks, we will not be able to attend the 12th August for the team speak meeting as we will be flying to Spain ;D.
I will be able to make the page and profile for us when I am in Spain as I will then have lots of time to do so. I will then add you Ieuan, sorry I have not replied to this thread before I have been working all weekend .

Thanks

Hi everybody!

I am Peter. Just a quick message before leaving for Spain. As Paola said we will be back at the end of the month. Hopefully we will have more time and be there for the meeting on the 1st of September. :thumbup:

Hi All,
This is a report of the meeting held at the Shot In The Dark, 12 City Road, Cardiff on the 11-08-2010.

Meeting called to order at 8.10 Brian nominated to take the chair.

Present: Alma, Brian, Craig, Dan, Dominic, Miguel, Renatta, Vevaj.

1. Activity update. Brian brought the meeting up to date on what had been discussed at previous meetings regarding activity.
1.a Leaflet design
Agreed that Brian contact Daniel in reference to his proposals for the rejigging of the leaflet and to report back to the next meeting.
Agreed that Dan bring his examples for a leaflet to the next meeting and that Alma and Miguel also provide input on the leaflet graphics and printing.
1.b Finance of leaflet
Agreed that a decision on the financing of the leaflet be deferred until: An example be put on the Wales thread by Dan so that all interested members have an opportunity to provide further input; costings be obtained from Moira in Glasgow, the Bristol Chapter and a printer; that initially we print 5000.
1.c Chapter Arts Centre
Brian informed the meeting on the current situation at the Chapter Arts Centre. Agreed That discussion on the Chapter Arts Centre be deferred to the next meeting when we should have a clearer picture on when the next Zeitgeist movie would be completed so we are in a position to approach them with a specific date.
1.d It was suggested we start looking for an alternative venue which was more appropriate to our present and future needs. Ideally, we require a private room with no background noise from other customers and music. Members to report back at next meeting.
1.e Brian reminded the meeting that we were also on the lookout for venues at which we can promote TZM material.
1.f Brian agreed to find out the cost of T-shirts from an outlet on Upper Boat industrial estate.
1.g Bristol event
Brian and Craig informed the meeting that if anybody from the Cardiff area had an travel problems attending the event in Bristol on the 21st of Aug they were willing to take them there in their own cars. Dan agreed to put out a press release covering south Wales in an effort to promote the event.
2. Item for discussion.
Vevaj opened up on 'The necessity of thinking outside of the box'. He said from his experience any discussion with members of the public - because of their social conditioning - the presumption was that the only solution was a monetary solution. This had to be questioned and challenged using the alternative arguments provided by the RBE. He also emphasised the importance of there being no benefit to be gained by pushing the ideas and proposals of RBE on to members of the public, for they were likely to be rejected. There followed a general discussion on: How valid was this when the decision making process of TZM had still to be decided; It was more important to promote a RBE now than wait for a decision making process to be put in place; the appropriate setting for promoting the proposals of a RBE.

The meeting adjourned at 10.05 and it was Agree that Dan chair the next meeting.

YFPSA
Brian

Ye good meeting guys n gals. Please don't forget people, we have PRESS RELEASES FOR JACQUE'S BRISTOL LECTURE and we need to work to get this out fast. Big media campaign c'mon.
Contact me - [email protected] 07972 633238 for copy's of press release.
Thanks.
Craig.
Morphius.

OK, this is Dan, most people call me Ruff but you can call me what you want.

Great to meet all of you, very interesting stuff, let me just get my complaints out of the way first so I can get to the positive stuff:

First up, Craig's intensity is obviously an issue but to be fair he accepts it and seems willing to deal with it. It seems his concerns are to do with corrupt behaviour from people in other chapters he's encountered and whatnot but I said to him he needs to take those issues directly to the people at hand and not us because otherwise if new people come along unless they're really into it like we are they're gonna see that and very likely not come back, simple as. The atmosphere at a meeting should be attractive to newcomers, so that maybe even some days people might overhear the conversation and get interested in it even if they've never heard of Zeitgeist before. Personally, if other chapter people are getting power hungry I don't see peoples' personal egos and human flaws affecting the big goals but if there are any big worrying changes then of course I'll wanna hear about it and I'll definitely speak against it if I see it.
Also I didn't like the way Brian chaired the meeting, I know it's good he was focused on getting through all the points but he was trying to stop people talking too much. When new people meet each other they need to go back and forth a bit to understand each other, so let the discussion flow a bit but yes if it goes off course for too long then we need to bring it back to the topic. If the conversation was stopped Miguel wouldn't have got to say some of the great stuff he said. Ideally I don't think we should need a chair for meetings if we become good at having group conversations but we will need a list of things to discuss and Brian was good at that because we succeeded at getting through everything and we still had time to disagree, it's all healthy, I particularly like the way Vevaj thinks. To have a good group conversation you need to...

a) Listen UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND what someone else is saying
b) Stop once you've made your point
c) Don't interrupt anyone

That's it as far as I can see. I don't think Brian's egostistical though, I think he was just trying to chair well, I like the way he cares about getting everyone's opinions and I'm impressed with his summary of the meeting here, really good. We'll see how I do chairing it next week anyway.

Otherwise, it was really good to meet people who already know all about it and just being around more people is inspiring because you can feel how much easier it'll be to spread the information.

I don't post here last night because I was looking at all the flyer designs on the toolkit; I didn't know what the toolkit did until you lot told me and I now I understand that you've downloaded the flyer we have from there. The one we've chosen is pretty good, I love the "In a world where 1% of the population..." speech and the six paragraphs do walk the reader through a short explanation quite well but my concern is about making a flyer as universally appealing as possible (plus it doesn't even say http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com on it). Some on the toolkit are crap, some are OK but they have the same appearance of leaflets about Christianity and this one we've got kind of has an 80s anti-capitalist feel about it, which is good for some and not for others.
I can speak to my housemate or Alma (she's new to this, I don't want to involve her unless she's sure about it) about making the text bigger and editing bits of this flyer if you want but I advocate designing our own one and using a less is more approach, what do you think? To me we should use the Zeitgeist globe logo in the background, the "In a world where 1%... Something is very wrong" speech and a short paragraph summarising the 5 RBE points that Vevaj talked about. The flyer we've got now is a bit doom and gloomy, but with this design I'm proposing "Something is very wrong" will be the only bit that takes people's hearts down, the rest of it will just be bright and inspiring I think.

Then we put http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com and http://www.thezeitgeistmovementuk.com after it and then is it necessary to leave space for a stamp to put a local Swansea or Cardiff email address on there? Because that'll be a lot of extra work stamping thousands of flyers, don't you think it should make sense that if anyone's interested they'll come to the UK site and will find the Wales section on their own? Let me know what you think.

On the issue of t-shirts, I know that's the only way Peter Joseph currently recoups any money from this so I'd be inclined to want to buy ones from the global site.

All in all, productive and hopeful stuff. Thanks for being involved.

My email address is [email protected], feel free to send me yours or put them on here.

Thanks for reminding me about the press release for Bristol, I've edited the meeting report to include this.

YFPSA
Brian

Great to meet all of you, very interesting stuff, let me just get my complaints out of the way first so I can get to the positive stuff:

First up, Craig's intensity is obviously an issue but to be fair he accepts it and seems willing to deal with it. It seems his concerns are to do with corrupt behaviour from people in other chapters he's encountered and whatnot but I said to him he needs to take those issues directly to the people at hand and not us because otherwise if new people come along unless they're really into it like we are they're gonna see that and very likely not come back, simple as. The atmosphere at a meeting should be attractive to newcomers, so that maybe even some days people might overhear the conversation and get interested in it even if they've never heard of Zeitgeist before. Personally, if other chapter people are getting power hungry I don't see peoples' personal egos and human flaws affecting the big goals but if there are any big worrying changes then of course I'll wanna hear about it and I'll definitely speak against it if I see it.

Good points. I'm sure Craig will try and apply your friendly advice in the future. Actually, knowing the subject matter Craig is keen on implementing, he's not complaining about 'corrupt behaviour' but what he and I see has the necessity for a participatory democratic being applied to TZM, due to the undemocratic decisions that are being taken. So it's more about the lack of democracy rather than corruption. And I agree subjects like this need to be taken up with other people rather than at a meeting concerned with activity.

This is the notorious dilemma for all chairs but from experience this will come easier when we are more established and have access to a more suitable venue. To avoid disruption and repetitiveness the chair has to be firm with speakers so everybody is allowed a fair bite at the cherry.

I and others will strongly disagree with you on not having a chair at meetings. The first meeting I attended - with 11 in attendance - there was no chair and because of this the meeting resulted in utter chaos. At the next meeting it was agreed that when 4 people turn up a chair be elected so a sense of self-discipline is instilled.

Exactly. But not all those attending will be aware of applying this self-discipline. Perhaps it would be wise for each chair to make these valuable points before the meeting actually starts?

Thanks for the compliments. I wish you well with chairing the next meeting.

My thoughts exactly.

Having been involved in the design of dozen's of leaflets, flyers and posters my advice is to let your creativity take the lead. Indeed, from my experience you seem to have grasped what is essential in promoting our ideas. For myself I apply an old marketing technique called AIDA. It goes like this: The first aim of the promotion is to grab Attention; the second aim is to provide Information; third aim is to infer that a Decision needs to be made; the final part is to engage the reader to take positive Action. It can be hard to achieve, depending on the message, but when it is accomplished it tends to bring in very satisfactory results.

Then we put http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com and http://www.thezeitgeistmovementuk.com after it and then is it necessary to leave space for a stamp to put a local Swansea or Cardiff email address on there? Because that'll be a lot of extra work stamping thousands of flyers, don't you think it should make sense that if anyone's interested they'll come to the UK site and will find the Wales section on their own? Let me know what you think.

The suggestion on leaving a space for a stamp is only a temporary measure until we get established, its not set in stone. So why not do one with the space and also one without the space? The main reason for a space is in recognition of the fact that not everybody will have access to the internet and also those who just can't be bothered to access the internet. We need to appeal to a wider audience as possible.

Craig made this suggestion on the understanding we have ready access to an outlet who can provide t-shirts more easily than ordering them bulk via PJ. He was also looking towards the future when we may set up a regular stall. So presently its an idea worthy of further investigation with no firm decisions having been arrived at.

Yes when people get together with a sense of solidarity on what they are out to achieve I find it amazing that this common purpose manifests itself into a keen awareness on what exactly needs to be done.

Great to meet all of you, very interesting stuff, let me just get my complaints out of the way first so I can get to the positive stuff:

First up, Craig's intensity is obviously an issue but to be fair he accepts it and seems willing to deal with it. It seems his concerns are to do with corrupt behaviour from people in other chapters he's encountered and whatnot but I said to him he needs to take those issues directly to the people at hand and not us because otherwise if new people come along unless they're really into it like we are they're gonna see that and very likely not come back, simple as. The atmosphere at a meeting should be attractive to newcomers, so that maybe even some days people might overhear the conversation and get interested in it even if they've never heard of Zeitgeist before. Personally, if other chapter people are getting power hungry I don't see peoples' personal egos and human flaws affecting the big goals but if there are any big worrying changes then of course I'll wanna hear about it and I'll definitely speak against it if I see it.

Good points. I'm sure Craig will try and apply your friendly advice in the future. Actually, knowing the subject matter Craig is keen on implementing, he's not complaining about 'corrupt behaviour' but what he and I see has the necessity for a participatory democratic being applied to TZM, due to the undemocratic decisions that are being taken. So it's more about the lack of democracy rather than corruption. And I agree subjects like this need to be taken up with other people rather than at a meeting concerned with activity.

OK, I see. What decisions? No one can stop anyone spreading awareness. Is this to do with people trying to move forward to the next stage (transition) on their own?

This is the notorious dilemma for all chairs but from experience this will come easier when we are more established and have access to a more suitable venue. To avoid disruption and repetitiveness the chair has to be firm with speakers so everybody is allowed a fair bite at the cherry.

I agree, I just mean the chair should let it flow a bit.

I and others will strongly disagree with you on not having a chair at meetings. The first meeting I attended - with 11 in attendance - there was no chair and because of this the meeting resulted in utter chaos. At the next meeting it was agreed that when 4 people turn up a chair be elected so a sense of self-discipline is instilled.

I get it, I just hope in the future we'll have a good chemistry and intuition that speaks for itself to newcomers and makes them act in a similar way.

Exactly. But not all those attending will be aware of applying this self-discipline. Perhaps it would be wise for each chair to make these valuable points before the meeting actually starts?

Good idea.

Having been involved in the design of dozen's of leaflets, flyers and posters my advice is to let your creativity take the lead. Indeed, from my experience you seem to have grasped what is essential in promoting our ideas. For myself I apply an old marketing technique called AIDA. It goes like this: The first aim of the promotion is to grab Attention; the second aim is to provide Information; third aim is to infer that a Decision needs to be made; the final part is to engage the reader to take positive Action. It can be hard to achieve, depending on the message, but when it is accomplished it tends to bring in very satisfactory results.

Well said. The stickers in Cardiff say...

WHAT IS MONEY?
ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com
THE GLOBAL CHANGE WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR

So they were designed to be as simple and universal as possible and I think they meet the AIDA technique. So I propose...

(Zeitgeist globe logo in the background, centre of the page)

"In a world where 1% of the population owns 40% of the wealth... In a world where 34,000 children die every single day from poverty and preventable diseases and where 50% of the world's population lives on less than two dollars a day... one thing is clear:

Something is very wrong." (In capitals maybe)

"A Resource-Based Economy is a global system in which all the planet's resources are declared the common heritage of all the world's people, in which all goods and services are available to everyone without the use of money, barter or any other form of debt or servitude. An RBE applies a systems approach to society and manages the Earth's resources holistically, while streamlining production to reduce waste. An RBE is a system where human well-being and the preservation of the Earth take priority rather than profit, based on machine automation rather than human labour, freeing all people from meaningless and repetitive jobs."

"THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT" (In copperpot font, similar to the one used on the global site)

"www.thezeitgeistmovement.com
http://www.thezeitgeistmovementuk.com"

Happy with that? My housemate Dan said he can design it with me on the weekend but if Alma really wants to get involved let me know (I've emailed this page to her). By the way, Alma said on the way home she talked her taxi driver into coming to next week's meeting!

Then we put http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com and http://www.thezeitgeistmovementuk.com after it and then is it necessary to leave space for a stamp to put a local Swansea or Cardiff email address on there? Because that'll be a lot of extra work stamping thousands of flyers, don't you think it should make sense that if anyone's interested they'll come to the UK site and will find the Wales section on their own? Let me know what you think.

The suggestion on leaving a space for a stamp is only a temporary measure until we get established, its not set in stone. So why not do one with the space and also one without the space? The main reason for a space is in recognition of the fact that not everybody will have access to the internet and also those who just can't be bothered to access the internet. We need to appeal to a wider audience as possible.

OK I thought you meant a space for a local contact's email address. You've got a point, do you mean putting a snail mail address? We need to do a Zeitgeist Cardiff website too, even if it's just an information page outlining the goals, providing a contact point and directing people to where we meet.

Craig made this suggestion on the understanding we have ready access to an outlet who can provide t-shirts more easily than ordering them bulk via PJ. He was also looking towards the future when we may set up a regular stall. So presently its an idea worthy of further investigation with no firm decisions having been arrived at.

OK, I can just buy my own from the global site if I want. I just love the idea of giving him money back.

Yes when people get together with a sense of solidarity on what they are out to achieve I find it amazing that this common purpose manifests itself into a keen awareness on what exactly needs to be done.

For sure.

Nicely done Ruff, The design ideas sound good, can't wait to get 'em out. Nice one Alma, maybe we can have a Venus Project Taxi in Cardiff like the one they've got in London, that would be awesome.
Craig.

Craig has a list of what we consider the undemocratic decisions that have been taken. But to give you flavour of them: The Greek co-ordinator was chosen purely because of his command of english; regional cor-ordinators appointed hapazardly; no test on official spokepersons; no terms of reference for all designations, titles and apointments; hence, no system of accountability or responsibility.

Craig and myself are of the firm opinion that the internal democratic process and the decision making process of TZM should reflect the systems approach that will be applied in RBE. It appears that JF & RM have noticed this when JF mentioned the lack of questions and discussion on the subject on the report from Scotland. Obviously, we will be taking this up with JF & RM at Bristol. Much of this is to do with the pace of growth of TZM globally and is not deliberate.

To put it succinctly: TZM is an organisation but its not organised to reflect the scientific method coupled with a democratic decision making process. If it is allowed to continue down this path it means eventually an oligarchy of de facto leaders will evolve.

Exactly. But not all those attending will be aware of applying this self-discipline. Perhaps it would be wise for each chair to make these valuable points before the meeting actually starts?

So I take it you will be plugging this when you chair the next meeting.

This will only be duplicating what is already on the main website.

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Craig has a list of what we consider the undemocratic decisions that have been taken. But to give you flavour of them: The Greek co-ordinator was chosen purely because of his command of english; regional cor-ordinators appointed hapazardly; no test on official spokepersons; no terms of reference for all designations, titles and apointments; hence, no system of accountability or responsibility.

Craig and myself are of the firm opinion that the internal democratic process and the decision making process of TZM should reflect the systems approach that will be applied in RBE. It appears that JF & RM have noticed this when JF mentioned the lack of questions and discussion on the subject on the report from Scotland. Obviously, we will be taking this up with JF & RM at Bristol. Much of this is to do with the pace of growth of TZM globally and is not deliberate.

To put it succinctly: TZM is an organisation but its not organised to reflect the scientific method coupled with a democratic decision making process. If it is allowed to continue down this path it means eventually an oligarchy of de facto leaders will evolve.

OK, I hope talking to Jacque and Roxanne will help.

Exactly. But not all those attending will be aware of applying this self-discipline. Perhaps it would be wise for each chair to make these valuable points before the meeting actually starts?

Good idea.

So I take it you will be plugging this when you chair the next meeting.

Yep.

This will only be duplicating what is already on the main website.

I see your point and I am only into doing things if there's a reason attached but if it's easy to do a simple webpage do you not think it could give people that excitement of familiarity by being a signpost to action that's actually happening in their area?

Hi everyone, I'm gonna copy Brian's model of reporting the meeting:

This is a report of the meeting held at the Shot In The Dark, 12 City Road, Cardiff on the 18-08-2010.

Meeting called to order at 8.10, I was nominated to take the chair.

Present: Brian, Craig, Dan, Dominic, Renatta, Richard, Vivak.

1.a Flyer
Daniel emailed me a good flyer in the week that was mostly good to go, we discussed alterations to make it to everyone's taste and I have emailed Daniel to ask him if he can make the amendments. If there's any problems I'm ready to do one with my housemate Dan again if need be. I'm waiting on an email back from Daniel.
1.b The Venus Project World Tour in Bristol
We assessed how many people are going on Saturday and are satisfied we have enough cars to carry everyone. We hope to have enough volunteers between us and the Bristol chapter to cover all the roles that will be necessary on the day (door person, lighting person, an usher, mic runners etc.).
1.c Trying to show Zeitgeist Addendum at Chapter Arts Centre
We agreed we should get our flyers printed first before arranging a showing at Chapter, so we can flyer anyone who may come to a potential screening. I said I'll enquire with Chapter as to the procedure for screening a film there. There was also talk about the universal appeal of Douglas Mallette's videos (Awakening/Our Technical Realities) and whether they'd be worth showing.
1.d Teamspeak
Craig was contacted to be asked if he would explain the Teamspeak meetings to people.
I think it's on Thursdays (correct me if I'm wrong) people from different chapters have conference call-style meetings using the microphones on their computers (I believe if you don't have a mic you can type in comments that everyone can read). If you want to take part, first look on the right hand side of the homepage of this UK site, in the Navigation section, for the option for Voice Chat. On the next page you'll find a tutorial video explaining how to download the Teamspeak software. Craig is enthusiastic about this way of communicating with others in the movement and thinks it yields good progress and results.
1.e Venue For Chapter Meetings
Brian brought up the idea of another venue to conduct chapter meetings in. I said I've mentioned we meet in Shot In The Dark in my monthly column in Miniature Music Press magazine (circulation 10,000) so I'd like to at least use Shot for the next month to maximise on any attention that may bring us.
2.Extra discussion
2.a I asked how interested people are in making a Zeitgeist Cardiff website. My idea is for it to look good but be a source of concise and relevant information about The Zeitgeist Movement that you could find on the global site but may be worth doing just to make anyone in Cardiff feel closer and more familiar with the movement. It would be an information site rather than an in depth affair that needs constant maintenance. It was generally agreed to not be a priority yet until the Cardiff chapter's more established but if anyone has got easy access to the tools to start making a good and simple site then they should feel free to go ahead.
2.b I also suggested the worth of a setting up a table with a Zeitgeist Movement canvas over it in Queen St every Saturday (inspired by reading about the success of the operation by Zeitgeist Vancouver) to give away free DVDs and maybe information sheets on TZM-related advice or concerns such as how to get off the grid. If we give people free information on how to save money and don't want anything in return it should demonstrate the altruistic nature of the movement. Brian said we may have to contend with authority in such a situation.

The meeting adjourned and it was agreed that Vivak chair the next meeting.

Sorry if my account's a bit higgledy piggledy but overall I personally think it was a very good meeting, we got everything discussed that we needed to and still had time for elaboration after. People were still talking over each other a bit but I think everyone got heard. If you didn't like the way I chaired in any way feel free to bring up any feedback/criticism, I won't be be upset at all. Feel free to add on anything I may have missed from the meeting too.

Also, there was talk about the Venus Project co-op non-profit coffee shop in Austria and I said I'd find the link for Dominic and anyone who's curious. It's a superb idea:

http://www2.thevenusproject.com/blog/2010/08/the-venus-project-in-graz-a...

I put all of the flyers I got from Bristol out around Cardiff today, gave some to people personally. All were received well.

Hey guys,

I am ready to do some printing to have flyers ready for pickup on Wednesday's meeting. Did you get anywhere with re-design of flyers? If you have some stuff ready, please send it to me ASAP. My address is [email protected]

Regards,

Martin

I've emailed Martin.

I've started a thread about the Cardiff chapter on the global site because I haven't seen one before now, show your support to it if you want:

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&I...

Thanks for spreading the BZM flyers!

MJ

I've mentioned our meetings on my Facebook and Twitter:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=516627266

Feel free to add me if you want.

Hey guys, my dearest wife has created a different version of our flyer:

What do you think?

We've added the global website address onto the flyer. Thanks for telling me Ruff! Final version is attached.

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Hi all,

Sorry for the delay in getting this out as I've had a rather hectic few days. I'm glad I took extensive notes otherwise I would have problems remembering the specifics of a rather productive meeting with some really good ideas being brought to the table.

Meeting of the 25/08/10.

Present: Brian, Craig, Martin, Dai, Miguel and Vivak.

Moderator - Vivak

New attendee - Dai. the group welcomed Dai to the group.

1. Leaflets.
Martin printed off a batch of leaflets (see above for the layout and content) and everyone agreed that these should be distributed asap with Craig and Dan volunteering to distributing them in suitable locations.The general consensus was that everyone was satisfied with this design. Although the leaflets were printed on only one side it was agreed that it would be a shame to let these go waste. It was also agreed that the next batch of leaflets should be double sided with more local relevance to the Wales/UK in order to attract people concerned with issues closer to home.Also, that future leaflets should contain a reference to the forthcoming Zeitgeist movie and have Cardiff ZM contact details on the back. Craig mentioned that we should be able to get more leaflets printed for free as long as we do not ask for ridiculous amounts too. Suitable locations for distribution were discussed such as public transport, student hangouts etc. Brian also mentioned that we should have a space for a stamp to inform people of venue address of our ZM meetings, although Martin suggested that this could be incorporated in to the leaflet design when we design the back of the leaflet. The general consensus was that we cross that bridge when we get there.

2.Chapter Arts Centre.
Both Dan and Martin contacted Sally Griffiths, the manager of Chapter to ask if they would show Zeitgeist Addendum in their venue. Sally replied to Martin that there should be no reason why not but to get back to her after a few weeks due to scheduling issues. It was agreed that this was a very encouraging development and that it's timing could be very convenient in terms of momentum in gaining public awareness with respect to the forthcoming release of Zeitgeist: Moving Forward.

3. Alternative Venues For Cardiff ZM Meetings.
Martin brought up the suggestion for more suitable locations for us to meet, such as the Rocking Chair in Riverside. It was felt that the the present location had too much background noise due to the music in the cafe. However, as we have advertised this location until the end of the year, it was felt that this should be looked into later.

4. Posters For Shop Window Fronts.
Miguel brought up the idea of making posters suitable for shops in order to advertise the movement and it's films. The design should be in the "viral" mode of advertising and not blindingly obvious as to what is being advertised in order to generate curiosity and interest in the public. The general consensus was that this was a good idea and that it should be investigated further.

5. Fake "Crime Scene" By Banks.
Martin proposed an idea that we create a fake "Crime Scene" next to banks in order to catch the publics' attention with regards to the banks current practices and to promote the movement. It was felt that this was a good, creative idea but that we must be careful due to the banks current nervousness of such activities, also we have to take in to consideration the local law enforcement reaction to this.

6. Newcomer's Liaison.
Martin came up with the excellent suggestion that we have a liaison to help integrate potential new members when they attend the meeting. As it can be daunting and easy to for new attendees to feel excluded due to the knowledge gap, personality types etc. This way, the appointed liaison would help to explain what is being discussed and answer any questions the new attendee may have. This was universally agreed by everyone.

7. Anonymous Phone Line To Promote the Movement.
Martin brought up the above proposal, suggesting that we get a cheap prepaid mobile phone and advertise a it's number in leaflets or posters, in which the public can ring it up and members (on a rotating basis) can explain to them what the ZM is all about. the general consensus was that although it was a good idea, members would have to be properly clued up and be able to provide an accurate, uniform message to do this. This is something that requires further investigation.

8. Swansea Chapter.
Martin brought up the above in which he suggested that we liaise with Swansea members in order to help them grow their chapter. This was felt to be a good idea, with the exception of Brian! (good old Welsh parochialism there Brian!)

9. Teamspeak
Martin mentioned that there was a another Teamspeak session on tomorrow night and it's usefulness in members finding out what is going going on in the movement. Craig also reiterated this point also. Craig explained how to use it for anyone having difficulties. Brian and myself have yet to use this application and have our own reasons for this. In Brian's case it was because he feels he spends enough of his spare time on the movement. Mine is that my time and energy is finite too but I have not ruled it out in the future.

Extra Discussion.
Craig raised the issue of his reservations with how the decision making process is done within the movement, Brian concurred with this. It was felt that it was too autocratic, with certain individuals behavior causing offense and not taking on board the ideas or suggestions of the other non - English speaking chapters. I mentioned that as I'm not familiar with that situation I cannot not comment on that, however, I added that any organization consists of individuals with differing views so conflict it is always inevitable. the best way to resolve conflicts is to try to understand each other's perspective and if you still cannot agree to then you have to compromise.Also Craig felt frustrated that the movement is not making progress quickly enough, however, both myself and Miguel reiterated the fact that this a very young movement whose primary, if not singular aim, is to educate the general public. As Miguel put it, it's best to focus on the "small steps" and not get dragged into interpersonal issues.
The other issue discussed was "relocalization" or "getting off the grid" Craig mentioned a website called Opensource Ecology, I mentioned Mike Ruppert and his film Collapse. However , as interesting as it is, I won't expand on that as it has no direct relevance to the movement. Maybe it is something worth discussing on another forum thread.

If I've missed anything than you have my apologies, but I think the above is pretty good summary of a very good meeting.

Thanks all

Vivak

Economics - " A quasi-religion of money masquerading as a pseudo-science of money"

Economics - " A quasi-religion of money masquerading as a pseudo-science of money"

Jesus that's good.

Sorry for the delay in getting this out as I've had a rather hectic few days. I'm glad I took extensive notes otherwise I would have problems remembering the specifics of a rather productive meeting with some really good ideas being brought to the table.

Meeting of the 25/08/10.

Present: Brian, Craig, Martin, Dai, Miguel and Vivak.

Moderator - Vivak

New attendee - Dai. the group welcomed Dai to the group.

If I've missed anything than you have my apologies, but I think the above is pretty good summary of a very good meeting.

Thanks all

Vivak

Economics - " A quasi-religion of money masquerading as a pseudo-science of money"

Vivak, you have done yourself and us proud and I'm sure your summary will stand has a template for the future. Despite the fact, that is, that my opposing views on engaging with members in Swansea were not based on parochialism but on my acquaintance with Bob Howe.

Jesus that's good.

Excellent. But please don't think of using it in a leaflet. To me it conveys a mouthful of assertions which need to be backed up with hard evidence and a long explanation. Whereas a flyer/leaflet of the kind we are proposing is designed to prompt the reader arriving at a decision to go on a voyage of discovery to further their understanding, without going through the process of a long narrative on scientific explanation.

The scientific explanation and method comes later during the readers exploration of the website and attendance at Chapter meetings.

YFPSA
Brian